LED 5-Band Tri-Spectrum

MattyRoots · Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 11:23 am

Is anyone interested in experimenting with some new LED 5-Band Tri-Spectrum lights?

I have been in talks with a reputable US supplier and planning on bring in a few lights for testing...

Here are the specs:

Use 85% less electricity than normal HPS lights (i know most people use CFL...)
Plants use 4 times less water
Lights provide Red, Blue, & Orange Spectrums which are the 3 Spectrums that provide the most beneficial light to your plants
10000 hour life span
etc.

If you interested to find out more and interested in the option purchase at wholesale price PM me.

MattyRoots

cess_pool_of_paranoia · Heavy User Joined: May 24, 2009 Posts: 413 Location: USA

orange?

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MattyRoots · Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 1:03 pm

"The Red, Blue, & Orange Spectrums are the 3 Spectrums that provide the most beneficial light to your plants. The Green & Yellow Spectrums provide very little to no benefit to the development of your plants, therefore you wouldn't use those Spectrums in your design. The "Design" is the configuration of Wavelengths that you employ into your light along those most desirable Spectrums. With the development of New Technology, they can now duplicate the most desirable Wavelengths of light your plants find most beneficial & those wavelengths can be found at the key absorption points along the photosynthetic spectrum.

The 5-Band Tri-Spectrum approach is by far the most desirable combination to allow for the best possible results.

These LED Grow Lights use a 5-Band Tri-Spectrum design of Red/ Blue & Orange to deliver over 95% absorbable light to your plants, compared to only 15% with High Intensity Discharge Lighting, but that's not where it ends. The ultimate goal to developing a Profesional LED Grow Light is to be able to deliver the optimal wavelengths your plants require and be able to support all cycles of plant growth. (reason being is that plants crave different wavelengths during each cycle of growth) you therefore need the proportional elements designed into your lighting system to support this function. By using 2nd Generation LED Technology they developed a Series of LED Grow Lights that produce spectacular results and will be as mainstream as the Metal Halide & High Pressure Sodium Lighting."

....info taken from suppliers data sheets.

cess_pool_of_paranoia · Heavy User Joined: May 24, 2009 Posts: 413 Location: USA

wow really? i learn something everyday

how many watt are these lights you have available?
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MattyRoots · Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 3:25 pm

I have ordered two 180 watt lights initially for my own trials and have been in communication with the supplier to distribute these in NZ - so hoping to bring in more once I have evaluated their performance...

There is a wide range of wattage but from the suppliers data they out-perform HPS if you compare watt for watt.

If your interested to be involved in trials let me know.

Paul13 · Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 3:34 pm

MattyRoots · Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 3:52 pm

The lights are more 80% - 85% efficient based on growth area... i dont know what HPS light you need to attain the below sized footprints but you can compare the footprints per watt

Here are the specs by light wattage...

Vegetation and Flowering

90W
12" - 24" Distance from Plants
16 sq. ft. Maximum Area
4' x 4' Light Footprint

180W
12" - 36"
25 sq. ft.
5' x 5'

350W
18" - 48"
30 sq. ft.
6' x 5'

700W
24" - 60"
63 sq. ft.
9' x 7'

Fruiting (Heavy Yield)

90W
6" or closer Distance from Plants
4 sq. ft. Maximum Area
2' x 2' Light Footprint

180W
6" - 18"
9 sq. ft.
3' x 3'

350W
6" - 18"
16 sq. ft.
4' x 4'

700W
10" - 18"
24 sq. ft.
6' x 4'

Paul13 · Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 4:23 pm

Seems to me, the simplest way of comparing a LED system with a HPS one is: - 1 compare weight of resultant buds, 2 compare quality of the smoke,
3 compare power used for each grow. Then the comparative merits of the grow system can be determined.

torerestylz · Heavy User Joined: Aug 13, 2006 Posts: 543 Location: USA

so the most important question is how much is this going to cost us?

MattyRoots · Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 10:07 pm

The retail price in NZ is $480 for the 90W, $900 for the 180W, $1700 for the 350W

I can offer a 25% discount on the 180W and 350W to folks wishing to trial LED (until the end of 2009)

180W = $675
350W = $1275

I don't wanna sound like the 'hard-sell' sales man, as to be honest I wanna test these before I start properly distributing them - but there are a number of point's that need to be considered and what has sold the idea to me...

The Triband 180W is equivalent to a 600W HID, (not saying that the 180W Jumbo UFO emits more Lumens output than a 600W HID, but to state that the Jumbo UFO emits the same amount of absorbable light as a 600W HID, and it is this ability to only emit key absorbable light that your plants are able to use, makes it possible to achieve the same quality results as with an HID at just a fraction of the wattage)

Running the 180W is like have two extra light bulbs switched on in your house!! Imagine the difference to your electric bill if you swap 600W HID for a 180W LED.

Plus, from my experience the HID Bulbs only run at optimum performance for 2/3 cycles before you see the yield start to diminish.. That means you have to buy new bulbs at least every 3 cycles..... The lifecycle for the 90W LED is for 50,000 hours that's nearly 10 years if you use 14 hour cycles on average!

No Ballast required, No thermal footprint, No bulbs to replace, No maintenance costs.

torerestylz · Heavy User Joined: Aug 13, 2006 Posts: 543 Location: USA

that is pretty expensive in my opinion of course.....considering you can get a 600 watt hps for like $230 and a replacement bulb for $60

sure there is a heat signature....but by the looks of the comparison grow which is being done on here at the moment the led lights are still no competition for the yeild and pure growth of mj (at the moment)

more needs to be done to prove to this community that Leds are the way and in the future they may well be........but for now with peoples budgets and such I doubt very much that you will drum yourself up much business within this community without the evidence that your product not only works but works beyond that of our hps systems......

weedygonzales · Posted: Sun Nov 08, 2009 9:30 am

Part of the problem is that LED producers and resellers have backed themselves into a corner over the issue of lumens by promoting as fact the colour spectrum, as a primary need for plants, but in truth that is largely an hypothesis.

After having a bit of a think about it, I think this is the best example I can come up with to show what is the deficiency with LED lighting.

Imagine sitting at the dinner table and on the plate in front of you is a range of pills that represent the full spectrum of nutrient, micros, immoveables and vitamins the human body needs to thrive. Technically the human body would be well nourished after a meal of those capsules, but, what is not satisfied is the hunger issue where in order for the brain to trigger the full feeling, the stomach needs to be full of food and liquid.

Mass and weight of food is of no nutritional value to humans but the process of evolution has created a function in most carbon based bodies.....without it we will still crave food, and the craving will get worse and worse the longer we continue consuming capsules instead of regular food even though regular food may give us less nutrient than what is available in the pharmceuticals.

LED lighting delivers plant foliage all the light spectrum they need to thrive, but the plant version of mass and weight is lumens, and like food is to humans, is of no nutritional value to the plant other than it is an evolutionary function that tells the plants they are in full sunlight, therefore getting a good feed.

During budding, lumens also cause a constant low level stress to plants which triggers resistance functions inherant in plants, like bark, resin, denser buds, and wax on leaves to protect them from the beating sun - which inadvertantly prevents them from a number of fungi too.

Slayer · Posted: Sun Nov 08, 2009 10:24 am

So much bullshit

It all comes down to results. Which LEDs don't produce currently. By the time they do start producing the price might've come down too

weedygonzales · Posted: Sun Nov 08, 2009 11:31 am

Yes, the manufacturers do spin a lot. In the short term that may translate to a boost in sales, but in the long run the whole integrity of the LED industry will come into question.

The thing is, the closer designers get LED tech to 'producing' similar to CFLs and HIDs, the higher the watts are consumed, which then begins to negate the original intention of LED lighting as a replacement for HIDs....

I think at some point growers will just turn off LEDs unless there is a significant improvement in the quality of bud density, resin and size. CFLs seem to be adequate for those wanting an alternative light source to HIDs, they're cheaper to buy and to run and the bud from them if done right is adequate for persy.

LEDs in my experience....have a function and that is with seedlings, clones, and growing in extremely limited space - stealth cupboards. They are also great as a healing light for plants that need to be quarantined out of the stress of the lumens coming from HIDs.

At the same time, some HID bulb producers are moving more toward the ideas focussed on with LED producers, with many new HPS range of bulbs incorporating more PAR watts while sacrificing a little of the lumens. Example would be the Son-T Agro vs the Son-T Plus. They seem to be putting more focus on outputting more of the 610 nm - 720 nm range which to the human eye translates to more red light.

The slightly lower lumen output in the unused green spectrum seems to help these bulbs survive in the digital ballasts as well.

brotherlove · Posted: Sun Nov 08, 2009 2:03 pm

Might stay with my 2x 1000 cook anything under them.

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